RockRollerCasedCaddis

[clingding]

Dry I fish Goddards. Wet I primarily fish little dubbed beadheads, green latex, and chamois caddis. As a response to the seining and pumping thread over in the entemology sector (and elswhere here, I think) I indicate that I recently harvested a coupler nice browns. They were fat, healthy and absolutely chock-fulla RockRollerCaddisNymphs.

I need an entemology lesson here. The time was roughly consistent with the Mom's Day bugs. I cought several fish on caddis dry (then swithed to bigger, funner bugs dry.) Are the RockRoller nymphs the Mom's Day dry hatch???

Do some of the regular cone caddis decide they wanna encase themselves in rocks and debris and become RockRollers? Or are they an entirely different bug? They look bigger than the coned units, so i'm thinkin' different species altogether. The don't seem to bunch up as buddies on rocks and sunken limbs, but appear to fee-roam the bottom. Do any of you guys tie 'em and use said RockRollers to any great success? I'm thinkin that per they're cased with tiny rocks, you'd fish 'em right on the bottom, slow, with a buncha weight. Like I said, I've seen and read articles about tyin' 'em. One of the final stages of the tie is glue'in the body up and rollin' it in a lil plate of sand n' gravel. Does anyone do this??? And to what level of success???

[Utah DaveII]

Mothers day caddis (Brachycentrus) have a chimney shaped case that range in size from 14-18. we have two major species in Utah the early (B. echo) and a grannom that hatches in midsummer (B. Americanus). The dark chimney shaped cases are their calling cards.

Caddis from the Lepidostoma(plain tan sedge) group look a lot like brachycentrus caddis with the exception that their cases are round.

During the high flows on the middle, it was reported that the fish were gorging themselves on these two groups of caddis that were floating in the drift.

The pebble cases i do not know as well, but there are some fall caddis that make pebble cases that will be around right now and also the long horn sedge (yes that is the guy with the long antannae and the exact imitation for the goddard caddis). the long horn sedge should start hathcing any day now out of some of our rivers.

Hope this helps.

Cling, I hope this helps.

[Cary]

Dicosmoecus sp. has huge stone cases, some an inch and a half long. Yesterday, in noticed the rocks were literally covered with Brachs. Gonna get fun in a few evenings....

[Grizz]

The pebble cases i do not know as well, but there are some fall caddis that make pebble cases that will be around right now and also the long horn sedge (yes that is the guy with the long antannae and the exact imitation for the goddard caddis). the long horn sedge should start hathcing any day now out of some of our rivers.

Hope this helps.

Cling, I hope this helps.

Do you notice the pebble cased fellers are more of a tan to orange / amber color? I notice the smaller coned cases contain the lime & flouresent green color. A freind pulled some from box canyon once that were at least an inch long with fat little tan bodies. We whipped up some obese chamois caddis patterns that evening that proved very fish friendly the next few days. Does the October caddis reside in pebbles?

Thanks for the info!

Cling, Great thread! lets just hope it doesn't get pelted by the nazi patrol.......

peace

[Utah DaveII]

The pebble cased guys are usually one of the fall species which ususally have some orange in them. The larvae that Ihave broken out of the case are either creamy white or a hint of orange. The big boys are the (Dicosmoecus sp. they are a size 4-8) that cary talks about. There are also some guys that are a little orange that hatch in fall and are about a size 10 or 12. Lonnie was going to send one off to ine of his professors in graduate school, but never did, so I could not tell you what it is. I just know that we saw a couple of pretty large caddis hathcing out of some sections of the middle in fall. But there is more than one of those little pebble cased guys around.

One thing about the pebble cased guys is they are often shredders that live in the slower water and feed on decaying leaves or are predatory. Either way long slow pools in fall are often the place to hit with a size 10 orange stimi.

[Trout4x]

LIV2FSH tied up a very nice looking case caddis with a dryer sheet and small sand/gravel from the stream that he would be fishing that pattern with. The pattern he tied was very simple to tie.

I have yet to fish with the pattern he demonstrated.

[Utah DaveII]

Pebble cased caddis patterns in Caddisflies Superhatches by Brendle and Richards. One with a rock case and the other a soft case deal tied with hares mask, if I remeber right. you might want to look those up in the book.

[Grizz]

Pebble cased caddis patterns in Caddisflies Superhatches by Brendle and Richards. One with a rock case and the other a soft case deal tied with hares mask, if I remeber right. you might want to look those up in the book.


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, the hare's mask, great shuck material! Natural squirell will get the job done too. I fish a cased caddis pattern that has been my go to fly for a number of years. Deadly in 5 states so far.

don't ask.

peace

[clingding]

Often, I'll harvest a couple caddis cones and sqweeze the nymphs out to check their color. Then I know what color of nymph to fish.

But both fat-as-hell browns that I harvested were gorged on the RockRollers themselves. They weren't emergin'. The trout were fulla three quarter inch, almost as thick as a pencil totally gravel encased caddis. They were eatin' more rocks than bug it looked like. I didn't, but should have pulled some rocks off the bottom to study a little more. Instead, I simply sqweezed some of the critters, but only got their very black heads n' legs to pop outa the cases. I didn't see body color too well, but I think it was a medium, to light, non-descript fleshy toney brown. Can anyone confirm this. If this is about right, a chamois would be about perfect.

Again, I was kinda freaked that the fish were feeding almost exclusively on the nymphs rock cases and all, to the exclusion of all the other bugs in the water.

[Grizz]

Often, I'll harvest a couple caddis cones and sqweeze the nymphs out to check their color. Then I know what color of nymph to fish.

But both fat-as-hell browns that I harvested were gorged on the RockRollers themselves. They weren't emergin'. The trout were fulla three quarter inch, almost as thick as a pencil totally gravel encased caddis. They were eatin' more rocks than bug it looked like. I didn't, but should have pulled some rocks off the bottom to study a little more. Instead, I simply sqweezed some of the critters, but only got their very black heads n' legs to pop outa the cases. I didn't see body color too well, but I think it was a medium, to light, non-descript fleshy toney brown. Can anyone confirm this. If this is about right, a chamois would be about perfect.

Again, I was kinda freaked that the fish were feeding almost exclusively on the nymphs rock cases and all, to the exclusion of all the other bugs in the water.

Makes ya wonder...................................

do trout have gizzards?

Anyone?

peace

[Utah DaveII]

where were you? You can e-mail me if you wish?

Also were the cases in the fish sealed like they were pupa or did they have larvae in them.

This is why I ask. I went fishing last night on one of my favorite streams and the caddis were beginning to show in numbers. The majority of the caddis were long horned sedges, which would come from a 3/4 inch long pebble case. It is very possible these cases were breaking loose as the Pupa were getting close to hatching. That would explain why the fish were keying on them this time of year.