Vise Question

[Juke]

I know this subject has been brought up recently, but I did not get a good idea of the opinions stated, and why.

I want to purchase a new vise and would like the opinions of the Renzetti Traveller vs. the Dynaking Kingfisher.

All opinions pro/con are appreciated.

Juke

[Jason]

The Kingfisher is not a rotary but is less expensive. I'd go with the Traveler even though I'm a Dynaking user.

[Grizz]

Happy Holidaze

Santa put the Kingfisher in my stocking. Love it! Simplicity at its best. I don't like the Rezetti traveler personaly. Too small, too many knobs, etc. I've tied on stevee's plenty of times & I'm scared it'll break if I put too much pressure on it. I'm sure for some guys it works out great, but I think they're way overated. The Kingfisher is a good solid simple tool. All stainless. Easy operation. Good!

The 'ol Regal's been retired to "travel tote only" status........

See ya at Heise........

Cheers

[Utah DaveII]

I'm looking at the same two vises and I can't come to a decision either. I'm also looking at the Dan Vise. I hear a lot of good things about it, but it is jsut but ugly. I think it comes down to is if you want a rotary vise or not. If you don't wan't a rotary I think the kingifhser is the way to go, but damnit I want a rotary!

I am going to have to retire my regal to big stuff. The chipped jaws and hook accessibility is driving me nuts on my 20 and smaller flies.

[Crosby]

UTD- When you decide - let me know- My Regal is in the same shape- I have had to resort to turning the jaws over to do flies 20 and smaller.

[jdubya]

Should be the last vise you buy. Can leave it at home, take it on the road, holds hooks fine, rotary, decent price, etc.

Had mine over 10 years, should last another 40 (will I?). I don't have the cam, and don't really care. If i was buying new might change, but the old non-cam style is just fine.

Danvise is nice, but I'm concerned about its strength year after year. And I wouldn't buy a vise that wasn't rotary. Don't use it every fly, but when you want it, is very nice to have.

Easy choice in my view....

[Tightloop]

First thing to decide. In-line rotary or a standard vise. In line has some great benefits, but in my opinion should not be used until you are comfortable with tying flies on a standard vise, begining on a standard vise teaches you techniques that will only improve your tying in the future. Then maybe graduate to a inline/true rotary vise. I tied so long on a standard vise, that when I forked over $600 for the most feature/benefit loaded in-line rotary vise took me 5 days to have the thing for sale cause I hated it!
Though I know tons of tiers who swear by In-line/True rotary, all with great reason. The benefits speak for themselves. However, to get the full benefit of in-line rotary you must clearly understand the basics and be able to perform them by "traditional" ways. Although with in-line rotary vises reaching the low costs they have, the new "standard" seems to be headed that direction. Many tiers do like true rotary vises, however I found several things that I could not do with a in-line/true rotary vise as a production tier, to were they truly slowed me down.

1. Could not put my hand on top of the vise to stabalize and put proper material placement.

2. Hands wrap alot faster then the turn a vise.

3. More control of material placement by using the hand. This has been argued and I still stand by I have 110% more control using my hands or a bobbin only.

4. Better application of preasure by wrapping with hands.

5. In-line rotary make a HUGE circle, resulting in more time and energy used to cover the same amount of area. The hand wraps very fast.

6........I could go on and on


Jaws: Good strong ADJUSTABLE jaws. Dyna King probably has the strongest most trustworthy jaws on the market. HMH in a close second. Make sure the jaws are adjustable. Nothing will ruin a vise faster then a dozen #24 flipped across the room along with chips of jaw material, deeming the vise unusable for small hooks. Being able to adjust the tension on the jaws so that you may re-adjust to the hook you are using will avoid chips in the jaw, along with proper seating of the hook.



The Verdict: I have switched from very cheap vises, to the highest end vises, back to moderate pricedd vises. My first recomendation in the beginer range at around $100 would be the Dyna King KingFisher
http://www.dyna-king.com/flyvise_dt...v=0&pid=082 <http://www.dyna-king.com/flyvise_dtl.asp?itemval=7&pv=0&pid=082>

In selecting a in-line rotary vise, I feel there are some features that you can not get for under $100, the most being adjustable positioning of the jaws, such as in the DK Baracuda, Renzetti Master, and etc. The traveler is an excellent vise in the in-line rotary, however I would go torwards the DK Barracuda Jr. TREKKER Vise.
http://www.dyna-king.com/flyvise_dt...v=0&pid=005 <http://www.dyna-king.com/flyvise_dtl.asp?itemval=5&pv=0&pid=005>
A little more, but worth the extra cost in adjustable jaw positioning and jaw strength.

Hope this information helps.

[Crosby]

Question- won't Regal redue the jaws for about $25.00 ?
I think I asked Rene Harrop at the FF show " do you like your Regal" The answer was " Why would I use anything else"

[Utah DaveII]

But i have to send the darn thing back. I hear they take anywhere form a couple of weeks to a month or two. That's too much downtime without my vise. I have a Griffin as a backup, but if I'm going to be out a vise for a month, I might as well get one with all the bells and whistles I want. Plus the jaws chipping thing has happend to nearly everyone I have talked to that has owned a Regal. So we are not alone!

I also want a little more accessibility for my smaller flies.

I guess I am trying to say that it is not just one issue.

[Crosby]

Everyone except for a brother of mine who has had 2 for 25 years and no chips- juct got my ass reamed for a list of DA things I supposedly do. The same guy who couldn'tfigure out why the paint bucket full of water wouldn't sink.

[cheech]

Hey tightloop, does your vise help you when you are tying glo-bugs?

I went from Thompson A vise, to Dan-Vise, to a Cam Traveler. I liked them all. I think I would go absolutely nuts without an in-line rotary. I very rarely wrap they actual fly with the rotary feature, but sometimes I like to turn the fly to different angles while attaching materials, or looking at the under side of the fly. Yes, I know that you can do this with a regular vise that rotates (not true-rotary), but it gives you a funky angle. The Dan Vise was a great vise. I would still be using it today had I not received a killer deal on a traveler. The only thing I didn't like about it was that it didn't have hardly any room behind the fly. Parachutes were a pain in my backside. If you spend about $175 for a Dyna-King, or a Traveler, you will be fine and dandy.

I even got MWS the tight wad to kick down for a traveler.

[Trouty]

Have to voice support for the DanVise too. If you tie LOTS of hair flies (big bass bugs) it seems to give a little bit when you really ratchet down hard on the hook. No problems for the hair I use for trout flies but if you really tie a lot of stacked and spun hair I'd probably go elsewhere.

I love the vise, great buy even if it cost more than the $80 they charge.

[Don]

Traveler...... you won't regret it.

I've seen the danvise chip twice right out of the box when sinched down tight. Good thing is they have a warranty and will replace it no questions asked. Other than that I've heard nothing but good things... Maybe it was just a bad batch?

[«°Ñøvã°»]

I have had my Regal for over 4 years and love it. Really sturdy and once the hook is in its there. Very simple to use however not a TRUE rotary. I have use a Renzetti Traveler and wasnt real impressed, like Grizz was sayin to many bottons whistles and knobs to adust im a simple man see. Also it just seemed the Renzetti wasnt at all sturdy like the Regal. If I had to buy another vise it would be a Regal all the way The thing with Regals is you have to be careful putting the hook in the jaws cause if it spits it out u have a chip just be careful. I dont try to break any sound barriers tying flys so its all personal preference I guess. Try a few out at your local fly shops and get a feel for different ones is my best advice. All ideas and products mentioned are quailty take that info and browse around and try em out definitly before you buy.

[Juke]

Thnaks for all the advice. I travel alot so I am also looking for a lightwight vise I can take on the road. Thus, the traveller and Dyna-king questions.

Regarding the Traveller, are the midge jaws necessary, or can the normal cam jaws handle a size 24 or 26 for example. Also does anyone know the warranty policy on Renzetti vises, the Dynaking warranty policy was mentioned.

[cheech]

Last night I was tying #30 dry flies with the regular jaws on my traveler. I also do a fair bit of bass bugs with deer hair. The midge jaws are very unnecessary. The regular jaws will handle anything.

[Tightloop]

Cheech.....

Your right an inline rotary vise would make glo-bug tying very simple. I got a new pattern..... the quadrupal tungstun bead glow bug!!!!!