Green A/B Section

[LandGuppy]

Hi everybody.

My dad is coming to town to fish with my wife and I. We'll be heading for the Green on Thursday and Friday. He's never been there before, and I doubt he'll ever make it back, so I want to get him into some fish. Trouble is, I've never been there in the spring, so I could use some advice from anyone who's been there recently. I figure the BWO's will be out in the afternoons, but what's working before and after the hatch? I've got a few other questions:
Are the fish holding in slower or faster water?
Anybody having any success with streamers? What time of day?

Please post a report, or if you don't feel like it, drop me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.

[solowookie]

at the turn off is a fly shop Green River Outfitters. stop there, ask them what hits when, and load up on flies.

if you tye your own then you want to take 20-22 adam's parachute, cicada's as indicators with a bwo nymph dropper, or brown midge.

[Boomer]

I was there the weekend of 4/5. Gulper Specials in #18 all around Little Hole worked during the Hatch (mid day). In the morning fish on the bottom with red midge pupae & larva. Do go to the shops up there for the latest info and if you really want to treat your Dad hire a guide.

[Curtis Fry]

I'll be up there this Friday and possibly Saturday, so maybe we'll cross paths.

You should bring some good BWO patterns: dry, emerger and nymphs. Should the hatch go as hoped, you'll see fish rising in back eddies, runs and any other normal spots you'd expect them to be. Both before and after the hatch, I fish emerger patterns or nymphs to suspended fish. I personally don't nymph deep unless I absolutely have to. One of my favorites is fishing the slicks on the seam of a faster run that skims by a back eddy. The fish will suspend a foot or two below the surface even long before and after the hatch is going on. I've even had days where a BWO dry/dropper combo entices fish to hit the dry at 8am in the morning -- well before any hatch. Can't beat dry flies all day long.

In a nutshell, just look for the fish and float your fly in front of their noses. That might be on the top, on the bottom or somewhere in between. Sounds simple, but that really is the trick.

[Jeff Camomile]

I was there just last Thurs. and Fri. The weather was very warm and sunny. Consequently, the BWO hatch was disappointing, IMO. However, fishing was still good. I fished up and down from Little Hole. Small, dark, realistic-looking BWO nymphs produced very well when fished deep with long, light leaders and plenty of weight. I have always struggled nymphing on the Green River, but this time it was not disappointing. However, only one fly worked for me - a BWO nymph. This fly worked well, so I only fished with one fly at a time. The best producing water was the seams - where the fast water meets the slow water: like the type of water you find downstream from Little Hole. For nymphing, it was best where there was some kind of current.

When the hatch was on and the fish were up, comparaduns worked pretty well. Lots of others were hitting them with cripples.

If the weather is cooler or cloudy, dry fly fishing should be good. I heard about the great BWO hatches from a lot of people, so I would go prepared for lots of surface action, unless it is 75 degrees and sunny like I experienced, and therefore the surface action was not great, but varied from location to location. It seemed the BWO hatch was best in moving water where there is more oxygen. With the weather forcasting cloudy, cool conditions, I would prepare for good surface action, and it shouldn't be too necessary to do a lot of nymphing.

[nightfish]

Just my opinion, but the flies at Trout Creek(Green River Outfitters) are too expensive. Check the reports and buy or tie before you go.

[LandGuppy]

Thanks, everyone, for the reports (oops, I don't think I can use that word -- just kidding). Keep 'em coming.

Curtis, we won't be hard to find. My wife will be the one catching all the fish in her trusty UOTF baseball hat. Feel free to stop by and chat.

Jeff Camomile, what BWO nymph were you using? The only two I ever use are PT's and Mercer's micro mayflies. Do you use a different pattern? Is it time for me to broaden my horizons?

According to Denny Breer's reports, the fish are moving from their winter holes (slow-moving water) to the faster water about now. That's why I'm wondering where they've been holding lately.

Thanks again all, I appreciate the feedback.

[Trout4x]

Here is a link to check out.

http://www.quickbyte.com/greenriver/flies.shtml

http://www.troutbum2.com/fishingreports.shtml#Green%20River

[Jeff Camomile]

I use my own pattern for a BWO nymph. I can't say it is more successful than other BWO nymphs since I just started using it less than a month ago. It has caught a lot of fish, but then again, at this time of the year, many BWO nymphs are successful.

I call it the Crystal Mayfly Nymph (CMN). Here is the recipe:

thread - dark brown or black
tail - 3 or 4 thin, dark moose hairs
abdomen - stripped peacock herl (this gives a thin, brown or dark, segmented abdomen)
thorax - peacock
wing case - flashback or for non-flashback, use 3 or 4 strips of dark (black or other dark color) crystal flash. I prefer the non-flashback (crystal flash) wing case, but both have worked well.
legs - 3 strands of brown or other dark colored crystal flash.

For the Green, I tie then in sizes 18 or 20, and keep the abdomen thin.

I think the key to this fly is the crystal flash for the legs. It seems to get a response from the fish, and my own personal opinion is that the "flash" might even suggest moving legs to the trout.

[solowookie]

well - I though green river outfitters prices were more then reasonable. I didn't price flies, but I bought some fly tying materials.

I was purchasing tiemco 100 packes for $1.35 cheaper then I was at western rivers, and their orvis battenkills were only $79.

[flyfshr8]

Hey! Try;

Thorax BWO #20, drop a Barr's emerger size #20 off it, about 18" 5x tippet in between.
Two weeks ago, did very well on size 20 Griffiths Gnat across from Glory Hole in that huge backeddy there. Black woolys size 6 from there back up stream. Good luck to you and yours! -Clete

[Ouzel]

on another post check with Flaming Gorge Lodge they have been on the Green the longest by far of anyone up there.

There are now two other xhops to check with and I'm sure any of them can put you in the ballpark fly wise and how to use them.

I would suggest you stick to section 'A' as it has the higher trout pop.

Good luck.

[nightfish]

Wookie,

Last trip I bought 2(two) flies, the 2 bead midge, as examples for tying my own. Nothing else, just the 2 flies. The bill was a few pennies shy of $5.00! IMO, that's just too much. Maybe I got charged for the little plastic cup as well.

[solowookie]

LOL - well - I think a lot depends on the quality of fly too... $1& change for a cheap walmart one that falls apart easily, or good quality flies asre $2 at a lot of shops.

they probably have their flies tied instead of mass produced.

I'll be getting a few flies for examples on my trip over there tomorrow.

[Cary]

...at the destination shops are more expensive and they should be. I'll say this about TCF... they have never sold me anything that was junk.

Last time I was there, Emmet showed me this BWO pattern that he claimed was working well. I was a bit skeptical, as it didnt seem to be the sparser, smaller ties that usually take some of those picky eaters.

The fly was my top producer (two weeks ago), AND, and this is big AND, you could see this fly easily, fifty feet out.

I've never fished a beatis hatch using a fly as visible as say, a size 16 stimi... It was a kick!

As well, you got Emmet and Denny under one roof at that place. Great value in my book.

After the gas, time off work, gas/food/lodging; what's an extra quarter or two for good quality fies that, if you do you're part, will get you into fish?

TCF/ GRO is one place you get what you pay for.

JMO,

-Cary

[solowookie]

Cary,

what was the fly, and where'd you pick it up? I'm heading up there tomorrow if you don't mind sharing info...

assuming it was a stimulator of some kind you picked up at the lodge.

thanks,

Jeff

[Cary]

I bought the flies at Trout Creek Flies / Green River Outfitters.

Not the Lodge. I think there is a big difference between the two, its easy to see which I'm partial too....

The fly in question was a "Hackle Stacker" BWO, size 16. I bought 8, and was glad I did. Should have picked up a few more....

P adams worked pretty good as well. Some of the more traditional BWO patterns - parachute olives, comparaduns, ect, were'nt as effective

Have fun, fishing should be great!

[solowookie]

thanks Cary... I'll pick up a few to fish with, and 1 can copy. I've got parachute adams already, and had decent success on saturday.

I didn't actually land any of the adam's because I kept seeing this big mouths come up, and I was getting a little anxious! LOL

just need some more practice.

[nightfish]

Cary,

You didn't use a Parachute Adams????
Man I thought you used those for everything! I swear the last time we fished together you were nymphing with one, and I think I saw a 2/0 conehead Para streamer pattern on your vest!;p

Interesting about your visit w/Denny. when I was there & shelled out, I looked through his whole selection & didn't see the pattern you mentioned. So I showed it to him & asked if he bought local flies. He hemmed & hawed, & poked it around his palm, & said "well that's a cute little pattern".

I agree that you do get what you pay for there, and there is a ton of very accessible info under that roof. I guess flies don't fall under the price fixing mentioned earlier. In the future, I'll buy ONE fly for an example. Maybe I won't feel so robbed.

And Cary, if you want, I'll GIVE you some of those hackle stackers!
You too Wookie, when we bump into each other at the cantina.

[Cary]

Nick, you can give flies, anytime!

How the hell do you tie a hackle stacker anyway> is this a Byford pattern?

[nightfish]

http://www.troutflies.com/tutorials/stacker/index.shtml

I think it's a Quigley pattern. He wrote about it in Flyfisherman back in '93.

[Trout4x]

http://www.fishwest.net/utah/flybox/bwo_pullover.htm


Sweet fly LIV2FISH showed this one at a High Country Demo.


I love it.

You will also need a tool like this to tie it.

http://www.mossycreek.com/gallows_tool.htm

I recommend the Griffiths Brand sold at High Country!

[Jeff Camomile]

Is this the same thing?:

http://www.danica.com/flytier/hverhaar/paraloop_dun.htm

[Junge]

Yes.

[nightfish]

Same thing. The hackling method is also the same one used for making the Hedgehog. They're fun to tie.

Cary, if you try 'em out, I've had better results using a hackle one size larger than the hook. You're right, they're really visible, and don't you just love the way they float to the surface?

Junge, have you had any luck with the ones I gave you? I think those ones are a bit small for the spring hatch, but might cover the midges for now.

[PaulM]

Check the current issue of Fly Tyer for more on the paraloop patterns. After reading the article I went out and ordered a gallows tool! :)

[Junge]

Nightfish,

I haven't tried the ones you tied for me, I have been too busy using the ones you tied for Fishin Idaho. I will have them with me this weekend though and will give them a go.

Scott

(Josh, take a valium I was only joking. Your flies are safe for the time being)

[LandGuppy]

This is just a friendly reminder that I created this thread to get information on fishing the Green from anyone who's been there recently. While there have been some interesting topics discussed, perhaps it would be better to start a new thread for them.

Has anybody tried that hackle stacker pattern on the Green lately? How well does it float?

[Junge]

Sorry Gup! Paraloops float like cork. If the fish are rising you will do well with them.

[jdubya]

on sunday by grasshopper island, fish looking at the surface for BWO: a CDC size 18/20 grey emerger pattern put a number of fine fish in the net. same idea as the stacker metioned above, only the cdc has a much shorter half life

on monday, 4 miles up on the a section, blanket midge provided good fishing with the......drum roll please......gorge burger midge (mike, i have new found respect for that fly: NICE JOB!!) but strong wind so no adult bwo were being taken: so go for a size 20 tungsten bead head soft hackle emerger fished 8 to 12 inches below a stimi. have fun.

is this a report?? smells like one doesn't it?

[Cary]

Landguppy, maybe since the thread was hikjacked you didnt read the posts that carefully.

Me: "Last time I was there, Emmet showed me this BWO pattern that he claimed was working well. I was a bit skeptical, as it didnt seem to be the sparser, smaller ties that usually take some of those picky eaters.

The fly was my top producer (two weeks ago), AND, and this is big AND, you could see this fly easily, fifty feet out.

I've never fished a beatis hatch using a fly as visible as say, a size 16 stimi... It was a kick!"

Solowookie: "Cary,

what was the fly, and where'd you pick it up? I'm heading up there tomorrow if you don't mind sharing info..."

Me: "The fly in question was a "Hackle Stacker" BWO, size 16. I bought 8, and was glad I did. Should have picked up a few more...."


Land guppy: "Has anybody tried that hackle stacker pattern on the Green lately? How well does it float?"

[fishin' idaho]

Junge,
I swear I am normally a well balanced induvidual. I'm kind of a new kid on the block so I was a little over cautious about stepping on toes. I messed up and stepped right on Stef's though! LOL. Sorry, Stef.

Its cool, fish them all you want- I aint too good for second hand! ;)

Later, Josh.