Fox Caddis Poopah

[Fred]

Does anyone have the tying steps? Curtis?

I have been tying in the tinsel, then the legs, then the chenille, then the ostrich plume, and then antannae. I'm thinking there is a better way, but not sure.

[hookem_cookem]

Check this out

http://www.troutflies.com/tutorials/poopah/index.shtml

[Fred]

You gotta love this site. Thanks.

Guess I had the last two steps backwards.

I wonder how much difference it makes to tie the chenille down with the wire.

[Trout4x]

Fred have you had much success with this pattern locally?

[Fred]

Yes, that's a good pattern. I learned about it from Curtis Fry on this site and tried it out. I have more luck with the burnt orange chenille with brown ostrich, rather than the olive and black.

[Junge]

Hookem_cookem tied, uh I mean was suppose to tie, some for the March Madness Swamp. I'm sure they would have been sweet. Damn shame there were lost in the mail.

[Trout4x]

Thanks Fred & Curtis Fry for the information. I may have to tie a couple up.

[Ouzel]

What insect is it suppose to imitate?
It appears to be an emerger.

[Jason]

http://www.utahonthefly.com/flytying/flyarchive/cadpoopah.htm

Ask Don about this pattern. He said he's done well with it.

[Fred]

Jason, that is the same pattern, but with a beadhead.

Ouzel, I think you are right. Emerging caddis.

[Curtis Fry]

Sorry Fred, I just checked the board, it looks like you have good info already.

Yes, I've done very well with this pattern on the Provo and other caddis waters. This pattern represents (as the name indicates) a pupa pattern (ie caddis emerger).

A couple of years ago, I fished the Provo River with an acquaintance from Sacramento. He asked me if there were caddis in the river. He then showed me these Fox Poopah patterns he got from Tim Fox at The Fly Shop in Redding (I think). Anyhoo...he said they were the best caddis patterns he'd ever fished with. So he gave me a couple and I tied up a bunch to try out during the caddis hatch. The fish were all over it.

It's cool because you can tie the pattern to represent any number of caddis species using the different colors of vernille. I ordered a bunch of it from the Fly Shop:

http://www.theflyshop.com/101.htm

Just scroll down to the bottom of the page for the Vernille. The color I use most is called "Poopah Brown". It was the color Tim Fox had dyed specifically for this pattern. I think the color matches the Hydropsyche (sp?) species of caddis. I also bought about 4 other colors "just in case".

So needless to say, I like the pattern quite a bit. And to answer your question Fred, I tie the pattern just as the link from Mr. Hookem.

[LandGuppy]

Since I first picked up some of these at Fishtech a while ago, I've never been anything but impressed. This has been a deadly caddis emerger for me, locally and in other places. Thanks, hookem_cookem, for the link on how to tie it.

I've had the most success on the olive color, but the burnt orange works for those early fall caddis. Most often I fish them with weight, give them a few seconds to get down, then take the slack out to get the fly to rise in the column. It seems to pick up the most fish during the rise. Or in the summer, I'll fish it in a hopper/dropper combo.

[Junge]

Do you use the medium sized vernille? What colors do you recommend?

[Curtis Fry]

junge -- I use the "fine" size of vernille usually , but medium works ok too especially for the 14's. For colors, I go with the "Fox Poopah" color (rusty brown orange) or the darker olive. It just depends on the place you're fishing. A couple of years ago, I did a little research into the caddis species and for the Provo, those are the two most common colors.

I buy mine from the www.theflyshop.com