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[Crosby]

For the guys up north- Roundrocks has flies for 49 cents- usually don't but flies- but a trip this weekend and no time to tie dictated the buying.

[rockin Rod]

Where is Roundrocks? Is that in North Logan?

[Crosby]

Roundrocks is in North Logan on the Highway at the Hyde Park turn off on the West side.

[Larry S.]

.......they went and raised the price of hooks to $7.50 a 100. Damn. Still a good price tho.

[Trout4x]

http://www.roundrocks.com/

[Crosby]

You're rigth Larry and I couldn't pass up a few packs at that price.

[MOKE]

Anybody that buys these is supporting slave labor.
This is ludicrous, and one of the grossest forms of fat American consumerism that I can think of.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

.49 cent fly at retail.
.25 cent wholesale
.12 cents from 3rd world supplier
.06 cents material cost (or more)
.06 cents possible profit margin per fly for the tyer, if that person is independent.
.03 cents, more likely if they get paid.
I guess slave labor is OK as long, as its not in Amerika.

In contempt again.
MOKE

[Crosby]

Moke- not sure that your assessment on these particular flies is valid- maybe and I will find out- not all the flies are 49 cents- just what he has downstairs. Larry S would probably know for sure-
Larry any help here?? Jim ??? But that aside - rarely do I buy flies. But Mr. Lake is a veritable warehouse of fly knowledge and its worth my time to listen to him. I have sat a watched Jim fish the narrows from a side hill un-noticed- That dog can hunt!!!!
But Jim- pull your car all the way off the road. (0:

[MOKE]

Having had a viable business years before this spiraling trend in prices.
I tied commercially for many, many years.

I hate to pound this theory of cheap flies into the ground.
I open myself up for criticism by doing this, but this needs to be thought out in reverse, and ethical decisions made.
It reflects the stagnating pay trends for the average worker in America.

CROSBY
I'm not directing this at you, or anyone, its a general statement.
This is just me spouting off again, and hoping that someone will listen.

I am truly disillusioned with the American manufacturing industries having gone out of country with the policies of presidents R.R. & GBsr in the 80s, and the fact that they rammed NAFTA down our throats. New World Order, now called Globalization. Totally unAmerican policies.
Since that time wages for the US workers have stagnated or reversed, all while the wages of the executives pulling this crap have gone up to a point of 600% higher than the average US worker...who quite often need a second or 3rd job to make ends meet.
So in a convoluted and weird way Cheap Flies is just a micrcosm of todays selfish economic ethics.
Hopefully people will be aware of this, and make consuming decisions based on improving things here for ourselves, and for those abroad.

MOKE...not sure why I'm trying?

[Crosby]

Moke:You inadvertantly skipped an administartion (0:

[MOKE]

AHHH!! Which one...the Repulicrats or the Demublicans?
I can't tell the difference anymore.

OK, I'll keep this as short as possible.
"New World Order" is a name that GBsr used to use. This is his pet project, make no mistake.
That phrase was too repulsive for a free society, so now they try for..."Globalization", still a GBsr pet project being ushered through by GBjr...the puppet.
They have come a giant step closer to "Globalization" in Europe with the Euro dollar as the regions currency. This whole conflict in the mid east is about globalization with the sheeps clothing of terrorism.

Isn't the US originally based in the theory of national sovereignty unto itself, and the same sovereignty is expected and offerd to other nations?
Doesn't globalization directly conflict with national sovereignty?

If you want me to include the demublicans....Clinton could have stopped it, but has the same interests as the Bush family.

I'm going to stop now before I get really sideways.

Back to cheap flies......Ethics of whether or not to keep your money here at home.

MOKE

[Greg M]

MOKE

The issue of cheap labor, out of country, was always a topic hotly debated in our ethics class at grad school. I was always the first to jump up and challenge those that defended the big companies who close up shop in the US and move to a lower cost country (LCC). That is until a classmate, who grew up in a poor town in Brazil, spoke up in favor of the US companies. She indicated that if it were not for the jobs created by the US company most of her village would be penniless. Because ANY JOB, even at wages that we would not pay a 10 year old, is better then nothing. Her argument was compelling and opened my eyes to the plight that others are living under.

Fast forward to today. In my world the business and financial reasons for moving a manufacturing operation to a LCC are obvious, at first. But, the reality is the times that we have tried to reduce costs by moving to a LCC resulted in more customer issues, and higher costs associated with after market service, because of poor quality of parts or equipment from the LCC. In fact it is fast becoming more costly to keep production in the LCC then to move it back into the US. I can’t speak for those who tie fly’s, but if my equipment came unraveled after the 2nd or 3rd use I would be out of business fast, regardless of where the product was made.

What the hell does this have to do with fly fishing??????

Sorry had to through out the sanity check....

Greg M

[Larry S.]

Crosby, you are right. They do have other flies there that are not 49 cents. And Jim only works there, he doesn't own the shop. His shop used to be across the street along with his service station that was forced to along with others across the country to "Upgrade?" their tanks because of an enviornmental concern (?) whether they needed to or not. I'm sure "Big Oil" was behind that one(TIC). But Jim knows first hand so he can probably tell you better. I know of many Mom & Pop stations that closed down rather than go to the great expense of"upgrading". I don't know if that was his case or not. Don't matter.

To keep this flyfishing related how about all of the major hooks sold in this country? Tiemco, Dai-Riki, Daiichi, Partridge, and oh-my-heck....Mustad! How many of us actually tie with Eagle Claw?

I haven't even touched on the big name company fly suppliers. Do you think that U---- for instance has all their flies tied here in the good ol' U.S. of A? Or O---- ? I haven't mentioned a local supplier as to why she closed down her shop and went overseas. She can defend herself and do it well.

Now we can move onto lets see...beads, threads(Uni for instance), scissors, Mucilin, SLF, ........ I'm just getting started. See what I mean? How can one get away from it in this ever shrinking world in this day and age. I don't have to like it but really, what can one do about it?

The kids around here not too many years ago used to milk cows and move sprinkler pipe and stack hay at the dairy farms to make a little money during the summers. Has that changed because of all the migrant workers that moved into this area or because the kids have got lazy and don't wan't to do that anymore? I don't know if the farmers pay any more or less now than they did then. Things change....auto milkers, sprinklers, and a different way of raising and bailing hay is the order of the day.

This world is way more complex than what hatch is coming off today(as much as I would like it to be that way) and I do my part in each election as my mind dictates and that is all I can do. I'm to old to start a revolution.