wow these caught my eye

[royalwulff]

http://www.fishwest.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=flyshop&Product_Code=WW33TBSI0755

and I thought that orvis balloons were expensive. Bet their like casting a bobber.

[SnakesOnAPlane]

Balloons?

No thanks. I'm flyfishing.

[cheech]

Balloons?

No thanks. I'm flyfishing.

I hope you never throw an indicator again. IF this limits me from FLY fishing, I guess I just like to fish.

I think they rule. I admit I scoffed when I first saw them. Then I fished with one and found out that they basically rule the world. Lets think. They are a floating device with a small hook that allows you to attach them to your line. What's so different about them? Is it because said floating device is air? Are you an anti Air-ite? That's jacked up dude.


The good thing about them is that you won't have to worry about them because they will never sell them at Western.

Also, make sure you reference The Manual before spouting off about what is and ain't FLY fishing. (pp.1-the end)

[SnakesOnAPlane]

Thanks for the doctrine, clarkie.

Just one fool's opinion. I'm stoked that they work for you. But to me, it's still a bobber.
Might as well put on an old cork (which works pretty well too).

Plus, I learned a long time ago (and still learning for that matter) so maybe the manual has changed from 1989 to the early 2000's, and isn't that when you started?

It just ain't fer me.

[royalwulff]

I just use party balloons. 100 for a buck, and I throw away the pink ones because I dont fish the provo.

[mvtoro]

(pp.1-the end)

LOL! I don't know why, but the parenthetical documentation there almost made me crap my pants.

[nativecutt]

I think they're friggin' sweet. Great for chirondos + they are from a local company (westwater) and have sold like hotcakes everywhere.

[BugEye]

Balloons?

No thanks. I'm flyfishing.

Thanks for the doctrine, clarkie...

Yeah, we know where you stand on this o' captain of the revenue prevention department. FYI cheech-Kev gives his doctrines in person. ;-)




I've tried 'em too and agree with the cheechmeister on this. They work well AND basically the same as yarn or whatnot. But if you gotta pound yer chest, whatever.... Just be careful when yer representin'...;-)

[UtahFlyGuy]

I've tried them and I like them. I use the 1/2" size and they float well, even in turid water. They stay exactly
where you place them. I highly recommend it for you foam freaks.

[MickG]

When I was a kid at scout camp I didn't have any bobbers on the yearly outing so I actually tried to tie a stick onto the line to use as a floating device. this has nothing to do with it but I just thought I would share. If it works it works. Royal, glad to here you throw the pink balloon away.

[nativecutt]

Try 'em out Kev, you'll be surprised.

Royalwulff uses baloons cause of his super-human lung capacity....the '70s were good to ya weren't they?

[Nich]

IMHO an indicator is an indicator big deal. Oh and they have mini ones that I just snagged that should be super sick for light nymph rigs.

[royalwulff]

I think they're friggin' sweet. Great for chirondos + they are from a local company (westwater) and have sold like hotcakes everywhere.

no way, people pay 5.95 for those...what the hell, I missed some money on that.

[royalwulff]

Royalwulff uses baloons cause of his super-human lung capacity....the '70s were good to ya weren't they?

very good to me! thanks for asking. All best places to fish and nobody around... I wish i could turn time back.

[UtahFlyGuy]

IMHO an indicator is an indicator big deal. Oh and they have mini ones that I just snagged that should be super sick for light nymph rigs.

Nick, if you picked up the 1/2" size they ROCK. Your gonna think they are the shit.

[MickG]

I think they are a great idea how many times do your indicators sink? They are maintenance free. Perfect.

[cheech]

Thanks for the doctrine, clarkie.

Just one fool's opinion. I'm stoked that they work for you. But to me, it's still a bobber.
Might as well put on an old cork (which works pretty well too).

Plus, I learned a long time ago (and still learning for that matter) so maybe the manual has changed from 1989 to the early 2000's, and isn't that when you started?

It just ain't fer me.

The Manual is The Manual. That's all. I know I'm a newb at this fishing thing and I'm still learning, but that doesn't prevent me from being able to read plain and simple text in The Manual. If I have questions on fishing and tying I'll be sure to ask you since you have been at it so long.

Old corks are too time consuming. I agree a bobber is a bobber. In fact, I was talking to Brian Westover (who is behind this crazy idea) and suggested that he get some that were painted white and red just like bobbers should be. Bobbers are great for fly fishing.

[Nich]

Nick, if you picked up the 1/2" size they ROCK. Your gonna think they are the shit.

They were the smallest Fish Tech had. I think those are the ones. They seem to be my answer to my small stream indicator problems.

[royalwulff]

I think they are a great idea how many times do your indicators sink? They are maintenance free. Perfect.

mick, mick, mick, I use balloons they never sink and if they do I put a new one on. maintenance free, I knew that additional $5.94 was for something more.

j/k just pulling you strings

[Nich]

Thanks for the doctrine, clarkie.

Just one fool's opinion. I'm stoked that they work for you. But to me, it's still a bobber.
Might as well put on an old cork (which works pretty well too).

Plus, I learned a long time ago (and still learning for that matter) so maybe the manual has changed from 1989 to the early 2000's, and isn't that when you started?

It just ain't fer me.

Snakes it's not trying to trick you into thinking it's not a bobber.... Ummm last time I check wasn't it called a "Thingamabobber"?

[flintcreek]

I use them and really work out well for me. Plus I think they will last forever. They better because like a balloon, they wont decompose if lost. The 1/2 inch are tough to get on the line but the 3/4 are ok. Now I can just save my floatant for fishing dry's, and not coating an indicator.

[BugEye]

I use them and really work out well for me. Plus I think they will last forever. They better because like a balloon, they wont decompose if lost. The 1/2 inch are tough to get on the line but the 3/4 are ok. Now I can just save my floatant for fishing dry's, and not coating an indicator.

Thingmabobbers are better for the environment. End of story.

;-)

bE

[F/V Gulf Ventur]

I love them.. a few modifications are needed though. I like balloons bobbers and have been using them for at least 15 years - maybe more. Not a new thing, just a new thing to fresh water fishers. Better for the Earth like Bugs mentioned, so I switched.

[chanceb]

Just curious, why are they better on the environment? Aren't they made out of plastic? We just comparing plastic Vs. foam?

[F/V Gulf Ventur]

Just curious, why are they better on the environment? Aren't they made out of plastic? We just comparing plastic Vs. foam?

Reusable.....and can be recycled

[FishOn!]

I like em too, no sinko especially when you got to add quite a bit of weight. I have a particular hole I want to try them on that is very deep with funky hydrolics that pulls regular indicators under

[Grizz]

there's flyfishing, then there's nymphing under that hideous thing in the link.......what the hell is it? It's a thingamabobber? There's flyfishing & then there's nymphing under that goofy looking plastic ball. I get that disgusting-not-so-fresh-feeling just using pinch ons, I thought I was at Toys-R-Us when the guy at Trout Bum was trying to push them on me. What happened to the integrity & allure of flyfishing? It's begining to become hazy under the fog of such products.

It's one step above a balloon, but not by much.

peace

[royalwulff]

It's one step above a balloon, but not by much.

peace

peace grizz

I take offense to that statement. thank you.

[SnakesOnAPlane]

They seem to be my answer to my small stream indicator problems.

Seriously...why do you need anything but a dry or just sight nymphing/tightlining on a small stream?
You're kidding, right?

[cardiac]

And 2 steps above the used Trojans that Kevin's been using for his numphing. SOAP- Now you can wash them out and use them for what they're made for. (the Trojans)

[chanceb]

I just have one question; why the hell are they so big? The thing looks like you would be tossing around a baseball.

[SnakesOnAPlane]

And 2 steps above the used Trojans that Kevin's been using for his numphing. SOAP- Now you can wash them out and use them for what they're made for. (the Trojans)

What's a Trojan? You mean Magnum? I have no idea what anyone's talking about for once.

:P

[SnakesOnAPlane]

Also, make sure you reference The Manual before spouting off about what is and ain't FLY fishing. (pp.1-the end)

Section 124-83
a. One must never change color or feature of a current effective fly
regardless if it makes it more effective, or easier to tie.
1. Punishment for such action will result in the immediate booking of
a trip in which you will have to listen to Ezlehappy tell dating
stories, or you will be chained to the floor in MWS basement as we
turn the water on and leave for 16 hours.

I violated Section 124-83a on Tuesday on the Green. Used a black Sharpie to mark up the grey body on a Para Adams Size 16. It made the difference of a few fish to quite a lot of fish. :)
If I have more than $150, can I forego the trip with Ezlehappy?

;)

[cheech]

Section 124-83
a. One must never change color or feature of a current effective fly
regardless if it makes it more effective, or easier to tie.
1. Punishment for such action will result in the immediate booking of
a trip in which you will have to listen to Ezlehappy tell dating
stories, or you will be chained to the floor in MWS basement as we
turn the water on and leave for 16 hours.

I violated Section 124-83a on Tuesday on the Green. Used a black Sharpie to mark up the grey body on a Para Adams Size 16. It made the difference of a few fish to quite a lot of fish. :)
If I have more than $150, can I forego the trip with Ezlehappy?

;)

This is a simple case. You just went from fly fishing to bait fishing. Back in 89 there weren't markers you know.

[SnakesOnAPlane]

This is a simple case. You just went from fly fishing to bait fishing. Back in 89 there weren't markers you know.

Then what about tying a Para Adams in black instead of grey? Is that a violation too?

[cheech]

Then what about tying a Para Adams in black instead of grey? Is that a violation too?

Uh hello. No. No marker invloved. The Manual (pp. 325-325.5)

[Nich]

Seriously...why do you need anything but a dry or just sight nymphing/tightlining on a small stream?
You're kidding, right?

How about when fishing two nymphs? Or you don't want to fish a dry dropper? Or your not in a situation for sight nymphing/tightlining? Or the fact that other people have different styles of fishing? Come on "soap"! What are you new or something?

[SnakesOnAPlane]

How about when fishing two nymphs? Or you don't want to fish a dry dropper? Or your not in a situation for sight nymphing/tightlining? Or the fact that other people have different styles of fishing? Come on "soap"! What are you new or something?

I'm not new at fishing. Especially at small streams. The fact you need to nymph at all on small streams suggests that you are, in fact, the newbie.
Where's the bloody challenge there? "I'm just going to dredge Big Cottonwood today...oh, that hole is 2 feet deep. Better put on my WMD Dark Stone Size 6 and put a dropper on just in case. Now where's my Copper John 16 red?" But hey, that's cool. Different strokes for different blokes...Landon Mayer can be someone's role model, too.

Then again, I've seen some wizards with the nymph system (Nova, Grizz, BugEye). Cool for them, not for me.

Dry dropper is fun though.

[Marty]

I’m with snake on this one. For me fly fishing is all about the cast. Lobbing a bunch of lead and a bobber just doesn’t do it for me. Now if you can take that little bobber and cast a nice loop, lets say 30 to 40 feet with it attached to your system, well then I would say you are fly fishing. The thing to remember, is just because you are using fly fishing equipment does not mean you are fly fishing. Fly fishing is well defined and though you may thing you can change the definition you really can’t, but hay, if it makes “you” happy what else matters. You guys that get all defensive about you bobber fishing make me chuckle. I have been defending indicators for 25 years and the only thing that has changed is I now accept the fact that I am not truly fly fishing in its purest form when I am slinging lead and a bobber. Call it what you like but bobber fishing is bobber fishing.

[cheech]

I’m with snake on this one. For me fly fishing is all about the cast. Lobbing a bunch of lead and a bobber just doesn’t do it for me. Now if you can take that little bobber and cast a nice loop, lets say 30 to 40 feet with it attached to your system, well then I would say you are fly fishing. The thing to remember, is just because you are using fly fishing equipment does not mean you are fly fishing. Fly fishing is well defined and though you may thing you can change the definition you really can’t, but hay, if it makes “you” happy what else matters. You guys that get all defensive about you bobber fishing make me chuckle. I have been defending indicators for 25 years and the only thing that has changed is I now accept the fact that I am not truly fly fishing in its purest form when I am slinging lead and a bobber. Call it what you like but bobber fishing is bobber fishing.

Bobber fishing is great fun.

Anyone want to come out to the bass pond and sling baitcasters? THAT is NOT flyfishing.

[Marty]

Yes it is fun and I do it all the time, bobber fishing that is.

[Jason]

Don't knock em' if you haven't tried them. Been fishing with them for over a year now. I was very skeptical at first and goffed at them....until I tried them. They're great. The balloondicators come in three sizes; 1", 3/4" and 1/2". They are the best indicator ever. They're light, bouyant, easy to see, and sensitive. And all you elitist snobs get off your high horse......nymphing "bobber" fishing rules.

[Tyson]

I’m with snake on this one. For me fly fishing is all about the cast. Lobbing a bunch of lead and a bobber just doesn’t do it for me. Now if you can take that little bobber and cast a nice loop, lets say 30 to 40 feet with it attached to your system, well then I would say you are fly fishing. The thing to remember, is just because you are using fly fishing equipment does not mean you are fly fishing. Fly fishing is well defined and though you may thing you can change the definition you really can’t, but hay, if it makes “you” happy what else matters. You guys that get all defensive about you bobber fishing make me chuckle. I have been defending indicators for 25 years and the only thing that has changed is I now accept the fact that I am not truly fly fishing in its purest form when I am slinging lead and a bobber. Call it what you like but bobber fishing is bobber fishing.
Marty, thats what I wanted to say when I first saw this thread but I couldn't quite put the words together without sounding like the overly opinionated naysayer that I am. Fine post. Should be fine printed on all thingamabobber packages.

[cheech]

Fishin' don't have rules you know.

Fish don't read the friggin encyclopedia you know.

Fish do read The Manual.



In the "Rules" section of the aforementioned manual, it clearly states "...the rules in this manual are to be followed strictly and with blind obedience, however, fishing has no rules."
(P.45 sec iv)

[chanceb]

Fishin' don't have rules you know.

Fish don't read the friggin encyclopedia you know.

Fish do read The Manual.



In the "Rules" section of the aforementioned manual, it clearly states "...the rules in this manual are to be followed strictly and with blind obedience, however, fishing has no rules."
(P.45 sec iv)
Cheech, I'm sick of hearing about "the" damn manual! :)

[Fred]

You guys that get all defensive about you bobber fishing make me chuckle.


What's even funnier is these guys that have decided what is and what is not fly fishing.

Thanks for drawing the line for us. Now I know when I am and when I'm not fly fishing.

I'll be sure to always make 30 foot casts.

[Tyson]

Fishin' don't have rules you know.

Fish don't read the friggin encyclopedia you know.

Fish do read The Manual.



In the "Rules" section of the aforementioned manual, it clearly states "...the rules in this manual are to be followed strictly and with blind obedience, however, fishing has no rules."
(P.45 sec iv)
Nice post "Chris". Wait, "friggin"? Chris would never use the word friggin.
;)

[chanceb]

What's even funnier is these guys that have decided what is and what is not fly fishing.

Thanks for drawing the line for us. Now I know when I am and when I'm not fly fishing.

I'll be sure to always make 30 foot casts.

Agreed. I would strongly argue that there isn't any real defined definition as Marty suggested. Absolutely nothing against Marty, I just disagree with his statement.

[Cary]

well, these things use "Revolutionary Trapped Air Technogy". that's a good thing, right?

[cheech]

Chance, may I suggest the "book on tape" version of The Manual? (It's about 1,400 CDs) It's highly entertaining and should only take about 1,538 hours to complete. Maybe 1,539 hours once we get this bobber / 30 foot cast issue ironed out.


History may have sucked at Uintah High School with Mr. Browning, but we still had to have books for it right... How can we (fly) (bobber) fish without some kind of textbook.

[Nich]

I'm not new at fishing. Especially at small streams. The fact you need to nymph at all on small streams suggests that you are, in fact, the newbie.
Where's the bloody challenge there? "I'm just going to dredge Big Cottonwood today...oh, that hole is 2 feet deep. Better put on my WMD Dark Stone Size 6 and put a dropper on just in case. Now where's my Copper John 16 red?" But hey, that's cool. Different strokes for different blokes...Landon Mayer can be someone's role model, too.

Then again, I've seen some wizards with the nymph system (Nova, Grizz, BugEye). Cool for them, not for me.

Dry dropper is fun though.

You are right Soap! I must not be challenging myself enough. Always taking the easy way out. Man am I a lame newbie or what? Maybe on day if I eat my wheaties I will grow up big and strong like you and reach master dry fly master status. Will you be my role model?

By all means keep up this judgmental dry fly elitist mentality. Scare away as many people away from this sport as possible, the water is to crowded as it is.

[royalwulff]

well, these things use "Revolutionary Trapped Air Technogy". that's a good thing, right?

"Revolutionary Trapped Air Technogy", now how did I miss that? Now that is the best marketing statement I have heard for a long long time. Hell I would spend $6.00 just to own some of that radical technology... I mean that has to rival carbon fiber doesnt it. I think they must think that some of these guys that spend that kind of money on those must be gullible or something?

Hell I wonder if they sell some toilet tissue that has some radical techology, I know some guys that could use that.

[TS30]

I’m with snake on this one. For me fly fishing is all about the cast. Lobbing a bunch of lead and a bobber just doesn’t do it for me. Now if you can take that little bobber and cast a nice loop, lets say 30 to 40 feet with it attached to your system, well then I would say you are fly fishing. The thing to remember, is just because you are using fly fishing equipment does not mean you are fly fishing. Fly fishing is well defined and though you may thing you can change the definition you really can’t, but hay, if it makes “you” happy what else matters. You guys that get all defensive about you bobber fishing make me chuckle. I have been defending indicators for 25 years and the only thing that has changed is I now accept the fact that I am not truly fly fishing in its purest form when I am slinging lead and a bobber. Call it what you like but bobber fishing is bobber fishing.

Flyfishing for some might be all about the "cast"....for me, it is about being in the outdoors doing what I love to do. If it happens that I am doing what I love to do with a size 20 PMD on the end of my line....splendid! If it happens that I have 3 size 6 split shot 8 inches above an egg pattern being trailed by a tungsten bead head WD40....well, I'm still doing what I love to do.

If flyfishing is so well defined, would someone tell me if I am "flyfishing" here soon at the Berry with my clear camo intermediate sinking line, a size 8 black seal bugger that has 17 wraps of lead under my materials and many 20"+ cuts on the end of my line?

Purists.......every walk of life has them.......

[Tyson]

The reason I agree with Marty and Snakes is that the art of it all is in the fly line, loops, mends, tension, slack, hauling, stripping, slipping, feeling. You bog down the fly line with gear what's left? Now you're simply pursuing a fish, which can make perfect sense depending on the situation, your preference or mood. But its not the same, I don't think. Its not about making rules for me so much as setting parameters for something special to happen.

[BugEye]

...Purists.......every walk of life has them.......

Purists, elitists, call them what you will but you're right on TS30. I hear the PA's on ski shoots having the same conversations about everything from alpine vs telemark, ski length and style, to who and where they like to ski. Always talking about their "secret stash" shutes. It's probably the same in golf, climbing, cycling, you name it.

[cheech]

The reason I agree with Marty and Snakes is that the art of it all is in the fly line, loops, mends, tension, slack, hauling, stripping, slipping, feeling. You bog down the fly line with gear what's left? Now you're simply pursuing a fish, which can make perfect sense depending on the situation, your preference or mood. But its not the same, I don't think. Its not about making rules for me so much as setting parameters for something special to happen.

Are you serious? You can do all that stuff with your beloved dredge rig?

[wildnative]

"Revolutionary Trapped Air Technogy", now how did I miss that? Now that is the best marketing statement I have heard for a long long time. Hell I would spend $6.00 just to own some of that radical technology... I mean that has to rival carbon fiber doesnt it. I think they must think that some of these guys that spend that kind of money on those must be gullible or something?

Hell I wonder if they sell some toilet tissue that has some radical techology, I know some guys that could use that.

Well....I didn't want to get into this debate because I'm tying to be a kindler, gentler man, But isn't the air-filled flies made of heat-shrink, I mean O2 Body Material, the best of both worlds? I mean you have the Revolutionary Trapped Air Technology with a fly dressing (as the british call it) tied around this technology all in one handsome package. My only concern would be whether dropping a nymph off of it would conflict with the manual? :) ;) (Double smilies = Joking.)

[cheech]

My only concern would be whether dropping a nymph off of it would conflict with the manual? :) ;) (Double smilies = Joking.)

The Manual pp. 567 sec mcmvii

-"Any object filled with air, foam or otherwise shall be called a bobber in the act of attaching a monofilament or flourocarbon line with a nymph tied to it."


Raw- I think you are screwed on this one. I guess bobbers can have hooks too;)

[Tyson]

Are you serious? You can do all that stuff with your beloved dredge rig?
No I cannot do all that with my beloved dredge rig which is the point. I have always told friends up front, if I am taking them to pound some high gradient rapids, "we aren't going to be fly fishing today".

The problem with dredging is if you aren't getting bites there is not the same thrill of accomplishment as working on your flycasting, presentation with a simple fly line-leader-fly setup. Cheech you know all this already you joker.

In fact, if there are ever any casting clinics of any kind going on out there somebody let me know I'll try and be there.

[Rip Dem Lips]

Manual......Pg 1. Use the next following 1,458 pages as toilet paper.



Yaaaaaawn.

Those new indicators work great......

[cheech]

Manual......Pg 1. Use the next following 1,458 pages as toilet paper.



Yaaaaaawn.

Those new indicators work great......

Manual Title Page

"If you so choose to use this book as toilet paper, please use the attached bottle of neosporin for the paper cuts."

I'd just as well use toilet paper, but that's just me. Some people are just freaks. Freaks with no nerve endings on their butt cheeks.

[Rip Dem Lips]

Manual Title Page

"If you so choose to use this book as toilet paper, please use the attached bottle of neosporin for the paper cuts."

I'd just as well use toilet paper, but that's just me. Some people are just freaks. Freaks with no nerve endings on their butt cheeks.

Thats just too much BUTT information right there Cheeks.......oops I mean Cheech.

[MickG]

Manual Title Page

"If you so choose to use this book as toilet paper, please use the attached bottle of neosporin for the paper cuts."

I'd just as well use toilet paper, but that's just me. Some people are just freaks. Freaks with no nerve endings on their butt cheeks.

Some of us our completely covered on this subject. I could wipe with a razor and the only thing I am going to get is............ an "asshair" haircut

[Grizz]

I may need to go buy some laxative, scented candles, advil, and a toilet plunger.

nope, just get yourelf a fresh tube of Vagisil & an industrial sized bottle of FDS feminine spray. apply, spray, .....repeat. That not so fresh feeling & aroma will be gone in a jiffy.

Apply BOLD font & stick that in your manual poopy boy;-)

peace

[Rip Dem Lips]

and back to our sophomore year we go... I guess this makes for a fun day on UOTF.

Sorry...I didnt know you were acting as a mature adult with these wonderful Manual Comments. From now on I will post repetitive manual post and make up a page number and write something "played out" so I can be mature. . . . .relax dude, just giving you a hard time with the repetitive manual post, just backing up all those that enjoy the indicator :^)

[MickG]

Grizz I think you are on to something. Perhaps Massengil should come out with a wet wipe. Hmmmmm

[Grizz]

Grizz I think you are on to something. Perhaps Massengil should come out with a wet wipe. Hmmmmm

yup, Simms could just replace the complimentary aquaseal with a feminine repair kit & 1st edition instruction manual. Replace the patches with some super absorbent band-aids.

peace

[SnakesOnAPlane]

Will you be my role model?

Nah, I'll let someone else more qualified like cheech or Nova or UtahFlyGuy be your role model. You won't learn anything from me except for how to turn your nose up to nymphers. ;)

Streamers are fun too. And I'll even make a list of streams for you to go practice on using ONLY a dry fly. It might just blow your mind!

[Nich]

Nah, I'll let someone else more qualified like cheech or Nova or UtahFlyGuy be your role model. You won't learn anything from me except for how to turn your nose up to nymphers. ;)

Streamers are fun too. And I'll even make a list of streams for you to go practice on using ONLY a dry fly. It might just blow your mind!

Thanks Soap! Waiting with anticipation for list of rivers to arrive in my in box ; )

[cheech]

The Manual. Pissing people off since 2000.

Thanks for the suggestions for the manual. I'll run them by the editor and chief.

[TS30]

One more suggestion for the manual......

Anyone who doesn't throw 2 pounds of weight, indicator, and fly at fish multiple times per year is a pansy!!!!!!!!!






:)