Ebonics for fly fisherman

[bareabou]

We had an Entomologist come to our club for a presentation. During the talk he said that you could always tell a fly fisherman because he pronounced Callibaetis wrong.

He said that the double vowel ae should be the long second vowel sound not the first vowel sound.

Calli—be—tis not Calli—ba—tis the way I learned in fly fishing.

So my question is: How would the POPE say it at Mass? Is there a Latin Expert out there with the facts on this and not just a opinion.

[tailingbone]

Calli—be—tis not Calli—ba—tis the way I learned in fly fishing.

CALIFORNIA

BAY

TIS

CALI BAY TIS

[Taxon]

Bareabou-

Firstly, I am not a Latin expert. However, I do believe there are significant differences between the Official Vatican pronunciation of Latin, and the version of Biological Latin used in English-speaking countries for pronunciation of taxonomic names.

I would refer you to Pronunciation Of Biological Latin including Taxonomic Names of Plants and Animals http://www.saltspring.com/capewest/pron.htm, which indicates that "ae" is pronounced as "e". In other words, I believe Callibaetis would be pronounced as CALEY-beet-iss. Also, the name of its respective family, Baetidae, would be pronounced BEET-ah-dee.

Having said that, only two flyfishing entomology books that I seen provide phonetic pronunciation for scientific names, Hatches II by Caucci & Nastasi, and Mayflies, An Angler’s Study of Trout Water Ephemerotera by Knopp & Cormier. Both of those books offer phonetic pronunciation of caley-bait-iss for Callibaetis, which I believe to be technically incorrect. In other words, I believe the entomologist who spoke at your club was technically correct.

On the other hand, I have heard there is considerable debate, even within the scientific community, concerning the proper pronunciation of taxonomic names, so who knows.

Taxon
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com

[Lonnie]

On the other hand, I have heard there is considerable debate, even within the scientific community, concerning the proper pronunciation of taxonomic names, so who knows.[/url]

Exactly Right. And none of the people that could truely settle the debate are still alive anymore.....

L

[PowerBaitHeppy]

Exactly Right. And none of the people that could truely settle the debate are still alive anymore.....

L

I'm still alive Lonnie.....


For me, I look to simpler things to find the solution. Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus. I have never heard either one pronounced Say-zer. Both are See-zer.

See. I knew I could settle this.


....oh, but then we get into different languages, like German. In German, Caeser would be more closely related to Kaiser. So, maybe we are all just screwed up, and See-zer's Palace should really be Kai-zer's Palacer?

...and Calibaetis should really be Sali-beetis.

[bareabou]

thank you TAXON and others for your response and links. It bothers me that we can have so many conflicking authorities on subjects like this. i guess it's me and my old school search for the facts on things.

[PowerBaitHeppy]

Now, if you really want to get complicated...


In Sindarin: the vowels described for a and e in one syllable (ae) would be similar to ai.

[bareabou]

Okay -- just for fun consider-----

I thought this was important because if you mix up you’re a’s and e’s then you might or might not get an Oscar. Note the following:

If a Masturbator is an amateur and a Masturbetor is an expert---then Goldie Hawn missed an Oscar for her role as a masturbetor in the Movie the Banger Sisters.
The latest movie with cowboys (or should we say sheep herders) is about masturbetors and not real cowboys (which are masturbators}, and they might get the Oscar.

[Jason]

toe mae toe........ta ma toe.......it's all the same. :-)

[styan]

Bareabou-

Firstly, I am not a Latin expert. However, I do believe there are significant differences between the Official Vatican pronunciation of Latin, and the version of Biological Latin used in English-speaking countries for pronunciation of taxonomic names.

I would refer you to Pronunciation Of Biological Latin including Taxonomic Names of Plants and Animals http://www.saltspring.com/capewest/pron.htm, which indicates that "ae" is pronounced as "e". In other words, I believe Callibaetis would be pronounced as CALEY-beet-iss. Also, the name of its respective family, Baetidae, would be pronounced BEET-ah-dee.

Having said that, only two flyfishing entomology books that I seen provide phonetic pronunciation for scientific names, Hatches II by Caucci & Nastasi, and Mayflies, An Angler’s Study of Trout Water Ephemerotera by Knopp & Cormier. Both of those books offer phonetic pronunciation of caley-bait-iss for Callibaetis, which I believe to be technically incorrect. In other words, I believe the entomologist who spoke at your club was technically correct.

On the other hand, I have heard there is considerable debate, even within the scientific community, concerning the proper pronunciation of taxonomic names, so who knows.

Taxon
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
Welcome to UTOF Cliff! ;)

[anglerman]

Now, if you really want to get complicated...


In Sindarin: the vowels described for a and e in one syllable (ae) would be similar to ai.
PBH, are you quoting J.R.R. T's pronunciations for elvish?

[anglerman]

OMG you are! Thats too damn funny. Tolkien Taxonomy! HEEEELL yes!

[PowerBaitHeppy]

only took 1 day for someone to notice. Sweet!